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		<title>By: iBastard</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>iBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually thought about setting up an archive of the worst things adoptive parents say, just so their kids can see it later.  No commentary, just exactly what they wrote on forums and blogs.  But probably some enterprising company will do it for the whole internet anyhow, so I&#039;ll just make sure I&#039;m well stocked on popcorn when that shit hits the fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually thought about setting up an archive of the worst things adoptive parents say, just so their kids can see it later.  No commentary, just exactly what they wrote on forums and blogs.  But probably some enterprising company will do it for the whole internet anyhow, so I&#8217;ll just make sure I&#8217;m well stocked on popcorn when that shit hits the fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict a new generation of NetNanny type web filtering applications for adoptive parents.

It could filter out such phrases as &#039;Primal Wound&quot;,or &quot;the fog&quot;.

The thing that always makes me sad though is when these kids get online someday and find their parents blogs in whatever the future archive.org or google cache will be, and see pictures or videos of themselves crying or in those horrible &quot;Made in China&quot; onesies while mommy smiles obliviously

You&#039;re right that they should be scared, some of them are their own worst enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict a new generation of NetNanny type web filtering applications for adoptive parents.</p>
<p>It could filter out such phrases as &#8216;Primal Wound&#8221;,or &#8220;the fog&#8221;.</p>
<p>The thing that always makes me sad though is when these kids get online someday and find their parents blogs in whatever the future archive.org or google cache will be, and see pictures or videos of themselves crying or in those horrible &#8220;Made in China&#8221; onesies while mommy smiles obliviously</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that they should be scared, some of them are their own worst enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s unavoidable now, even for people living on remote tropical islands.&quot;

ROFL 

Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.  Heh heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s unavoidable now, even for people living on remote tropical islands.&#8221;</p>
<p>ROFL </p>
<p>Wink-wink, nudge-nudge.  Heh heh.</p>
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		<title>By: iBastard</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>iBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, no worries, if you had really offended me I wouldn&#039;t have taken you seriously. :)  But I really do think your connection of adoption outcomes to adoptive parenting really sidesteps an awful lot.  Yes, adoptees with crappy adoptive parents will probably not be all that keen on adoption, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s relevant to why many adoptees feel the way they do.  

Many adoptees go through a lengthy period of feeling just fine about being adopted.  I certainly did.  Having my own child is largely what caused me to reexamine adoption and how I felt about it.  The &quot;variety of emotions&quot; are what different people feel &lt;i&gt;at different times&lt;/i&gt;.  

Also, in the social sciences, most research that tries to privilege itself over actual experience by the population in question is utter crap.  I suggest reading Herbert Blumer, Erving Goffman, and Harold Garfinkel on how to find out what&#039;s really going on in social worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, no worries, if you had really offended me I wouldn&#8217;t have taken you seriously. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   But I really do think your connection of adoption outcomes to adoptive parenting really sidesteps an awful lot.  Yes, adoptees with crappy adoptive parents will probably not be all that keen on adoption, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s relevant to why many adoptees feel the way they do.  </p>
<p>Many adoptees go through a lengthy period of feeling just fine about being adopted.  I certainly did.  Having my own child is largely what caused me to reexamine adoption and how I felt about it.  The &#8220;variety of emotions&#8221; are what different people feel <i>at different times</i>.  </p>
<p>Also, in the social sciences, most research that tries to privilege itself over actual experience by the population in question is utter crap.  I suggest reading Herbert Blumer, Erving Goffman, and Harold Garfinkel on how to find out what&#8217;s really going on in social worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and just because I described adoptees as being either happy or angry in adulthood doesn&#039;t mean I would label them as Happy Adoptees or Angry Adoptees. Human emotion is a hell of a lot more intricate than that. Usually when someone has any type of strong feeling toward adoption, it can be summarized as being generally positive or generally negative, and that was my only reason for using angry and happy in my post to describe adoptees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and just because I described adoptees as being either happy or angry in adulthood doesn&#8217;t mean I would label them as Happy Adoptees or Angry Adoptees. Human emotion is a hell of a lot more intricate than that. Usually when someone has any type of strong feeling toward adoption, it can be summarized as being generally positive or generally negative, and that was my only reason for using angry and happy in my post to describe adoptees.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never implied that your parents were dishonest or total idiots. All I said was that if you don&#039;t fall into one of those categories, your kid has a better chance of being happy about their adoption experience/adoption in general than if you DO.

You didn&#039;t &quot;go bad&quot; at some point. People react differently to similar experiences, that&#039;s all. I&#039;ve spent the past ten years (since my mid-teens) researching adoption and have found a wide variety of emotions involving adoption. It&#039;s no one&#039;s fault. I have feelings about certain things that happened in my childhood that could have been easily prevented, but I find people all the time who feel completely different about a similar event that happened to them, also.

I&#039;m sorry to have offended you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never implied that your parents were dishonest or total idiots. All I said was that if you don&#8217;t fall into one of those categories, your kid has a better chance of being happy about their adoption experience/adoption in general than if you DO.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t &#8220;go bad&#8221; at some point. People react differently to similar experiences, that&#8217;s all. I&#8217;ve spent the past ten years (since my mid-teens) researching adoption and have found a wide variety of emotions involving adoption. It&#8217;s no one&#8217;s fault. I have feelings about certain things that happened in my childhood that could have been easily prevented, but I find people all the time who feel completely different about a similar event that happened to them, also.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to have offended you.</p>
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		<title>By: iBastard</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>iBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking back, maybe what&#039;s confusing is my use of the term &quot;angry adoptee&quot; in my blog entries.  You&#039;ll notice that every time I use it, I put quotes around it.  What I&#039;m trying to say by doing so is that it&#039;s someone else&#039;s terminology, not my own, and that I think it&#039;s ridiculous.  It could be that I am not making that very clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back, maybe what&#8217;s confusing is my use of the term &#8220;angry adoptee&#8221; in my blog entries.  You&#8217;ll notice that every time I use it, I put quotes around it.  What I&#8217;m trying to say by doing so is that it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s terminology, not my own, and that I think it&#8217;s ridiculous.  It could be that I am not making that very clear.</p>
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		<title>By: iBastard</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>iBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was with you until you got to the &quot;some adopted kids grow up to be angry, and some are perfectly happy&quot; bit.  This kind of &quot;angry adoptee&quot;/&quot;happy adoptee&quot; reductionist bullshit is exactly the sort of thing that I hate about the modern culture of adoption.

&lt;b&gt;You don&#039;t know what the &quot;bottom line&quot; is because you do not live it.&lt;/b&gt;

It is not so simple, and I am not an adoptee who went bad or something like that.  Please, do you really read my blog or just skim it?  

I am generally a happy person.  I have a good life.  I doubt anyone watching me playing with my daughter at the park would say, &quot;Man, that guy&#039;s angry!&quot;  Saying that adoption has had a negative effect on my life is not the same as being angry about having been adopted.  &lt;b&gt;I am not angry about having been adopted.&lt;/b&gt;  For fuck&#039;s sake, how many times to I have to write that? 

Also, my adoptive parents were not dishonest or total idiots.  They were pretty ordinary.  So I am not some &quot;angry adoptee&quot; who was brought up poorly by idiots, okay?

The only things that make me angry are denial of basic civil rights to adult adoptees, the revolting practices of the international baby trade, the coercive practices used on natural mothers, the dehumanizing discourse of adoption, and that the sort of people who are largely responsible for that discourse (adoptive parents and industry shills) are actually entrusted with other people&#039;s children.  In my opinion, these are things that should make &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; person of good conscience angry.

I really do appreciate your comments and I am glad you read my blog but I am worried that I may not be coming through clearly on some of these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was with you until you got to the &#8220;some adopted kids grow up to be angry, and some are perfectly happy&#8221; bit.  This kind of &#8220;angry adoptee&#8221;/&#8221;happy adoptee&#8221; reductionist bullshit is exactly the sort of thing that I hate about the modern culture of adoption.</p>
<p><b>You don&#8217;t know what the &#8220;bottom line&#8221; is because you do not live it.</b></p>
<p>It is not so simple, and I am not an adoptee who went bad or something like that.  Please, do you really read my blog or just skim it?  </p>
<p>I am generally a happy person.  I have a good life.  I doubt anyone watching me playing with my daughter at the park would say, &#8220;Man, that guy&#8217;s angry!&#8221;  Saying that adoption has had a negative effect on my life is not the same as being angry about having been adopted.  <b>I am not angry about having been adopted.</b>  For fuck&#8217;s sake, how many times to I have to write that? </p>
<p>Also, my adoptive parents were not dishonest or total idiots.  They were pretty ordinary.  So I am not some &#8220;angry adoptee&#8221; who was brought up poorly by idiots, okay?</p>
<p>The only things that make me angry are denial of basic civil rights to adult adoptees, the revolting practices of the international baby trade, the coercive practices used on natural mothers, the dehumanizing discourse of adoption, and that the sort of people who are largely responsible for that discourse (adoptive parents and industry shills) are actually entrusted with other people&#8217;s children.  In my opinion, these are things that should make <i>any</i> person of good conscience angry.</p>
<p>I really do appreciate your comments and I am glad you read my blog but I am worried that I may not be coming through clearly on some of these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading your blog for awhile now, and although I disagree with you on many subjects, I&#039;ve agreed with you on many (Guatlings? WHAT?) and have come to admire your voice.

I plan on adopting someday although I could probably have biological children. My reason is simply that I don&#039;t feel like creating a life and bringing it into a world where children need homes. The money spent on maternity clothes and leftover hospital bills could be put toward adoption expenses for a baby who would otherwise not have someone to call Mom and Dad.

I hope to expose my kids to the dark side of adoption but at the same time, urge them to NOT feel &quot;lucky&quot;. It is a ridiculous burden to place on any child and I am not that psychotic to think that I would be some hero for adopting.

Anyway, this is SO irrelevant to the original post.

But I guess the bottom line is that some adopted kids grow up to be angry, and some are perfectly happy. As long as the adoptive parents can be honest and not total idiots about the matter, the latter is very, very possible.

And I feel like anyone who calls their child a Guatling or a China Doll needs to step away from the bong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for awhile now, and although I disagree with you on many subjects, I&#8217;ve agreed with you on many (Guatlings? WHAT?) and have come to admire your voice.</p>
<p>I plan on adopting someday although I could probably have biological children. My reason is simply that I don&#8217;t feel like creating a life and bringing it into a world where children need homes. The money spent on maternity clothes and leftover hospital bills could be put toward adoption expenses for a baby who would otherwise not have someone to call Mom and Dad.</p>
<p>I hope to expose my kids to the dark side of adoption but at the same time, urge them to NOT feel &#8220;lucky&#8221;. It is a ridiculous burden to place on any child and I am not that psychotic to think that I would be some hero for adopting.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is SO irrelevant to the original post.</p>
<p>But I guess the bottom line is that some adopted kids grow up to be angry, and some are perfectly happy. As long as the adoptive parents can be honest and not total idiots about the matter, the latter is very, very possible.</p>
<p>And I feel like anyone who calls their child a Guatling or a China Doll needs to step away from the bong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andie D.</title>
		<link>http://ibastard.wordpress.com/2007/07/22/they-are-scared-shitless-of-us/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Andie D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help myself - this post made me laugh!  I&#039;m imagining an adoptive parent out there shaking in her boots with the knowledge that there is a whole SHITLOAD of us communicating honestly with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help myself &#8211; this post made me laugh!  I&#8217;m imagining an adoptive parent out there shaking in her boots with the knowledge that there is a whole SHITLOAD of us communicating honestly with each other.</p>
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